tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post3640890476703110777..comments2023-11-03T05:49:10.841-04:00Comments on Storytelling Rules: Running into the Trees in the ForestMaureen McGowanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00494408580378817045noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-38594310360368696092010-01-16T07:36:55.262-05:002010-01-16T07:36:55.262-05:00hey i am current in doubt I wrote a book it finish...hey i am current in doubt I wrote a book it finished did it in 2 months but what follow after is exhausting, I am self publishing because i think that my book is worth it. i believe in me haha but now i am confronted with the grammar and other thrills of getting a book publish it very expensive especially the editing bit, they tell you the this and that of the book is not up to par but you believe you want to bring change can someone tell me if spending so much money that i don't have on my book worth it or is there someone out there that is a editor and loves to read that can help me out with the grammar and the book over all appreciate await and look forward to the word.syreefrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12095438398132750697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-13201984217220097542009-09-23T17:35:45.688-04:002009-09-23T17:35:45.688-04:00Ha! I'm a terrible night driver. I think it al...Ha! I'm a terrible night driver. I think it all might come down to a control thing. I feel like I'm careening through the forest with no control over where I'm going.<br /><br />I never used to think of myself as a person with control issues, but I'm beginning to suspect that it's only because my two older sisters are such control freaks that they make me look laid back in comparison.Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803986849921870941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-1399931662010767782009-09-23T15:14:07.531-04:002009-09-23T15:14:07.531-04:00Wow, I needed to read this today, Eileen! I hear y...Wow, I needed to read this today, Eileen! I hear ya' and am going through the same thing.<br /><br />And not to throw another metaphor into the mix (your trees and forest is quite lovely), but I always adored the comment by E.L. Doctorow on this same issue: "[Writing is] like driving a car at night. You never see further than your headlights, but you can make the whole trip that way."<br /><br />Good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-68908179170118267442009-09-23T12:08:58.959-04:002009-09-23T12:08:58.959-04:00Glad to see it's not just us pre-pubbed writer...Glad to see it's not just us pre-pubbed writers who get stuck on this stuff :)Marcyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503232778367844297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-40753781115430526272009-09-23T11:05:16.337-04:002009-09-23T11:05:16.337-04:00I'm still in the baddish phase on my book... a...I'm still in the baddish phase on my book... and not even sure I'll find time to post today. I am a bad bad blogger...Maureen McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00494408580378817045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-86402884879273149492009-09-22T18:45:09.213-04:002009-09-22T18:45:09.213-04:00Yes, Stephanie, I am tall. Be afraid. Be very afra...Yes, Stephanie, I am tall. Be afraid. Be very afraid. :-)<br /><br />Okay, fine. I won't slap you. I will however try to rub against you and get a little of that natural storytelling fairy dust because it sounds like that's what you have.<br /><br />Molly's right. There are good moments and bad no matter how your process works. I'm in the baddish phase right now, I guess. At some point, it will click and the words will race out my fingertips and I'll sit at my computer alternately laughing and crying.<br /><br />Still, having it come to me like that sounds blissful right now.Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803986849921870941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-18061094792973316282009-09-22T18:33:45.794-04:002009-09-22T18:33:45.794-04:00We have a critique partner and she's a pantser...We have a critique partner and she's a pantser and the beginning of every book is such a joy for her. It's fun, figuring stuff out and putting in twists and fun little reveals...tra la la. And I won't lie, sometimes I want to kill her - but her end of book process is a nightmare - so I guess you get it at some point no matter what!Molly O'Keefehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15171236688541657736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-80949815454916577052009-09-22T15:47:43.521-04:002009-09-22T15:47:43.521-04:00Eileen... that doesn't feel like happiness to ...Eileen... that doesn't feel like happiness to see me ;-)<br /><br />And you look tall in your picture so I might be officially frightened.<br /><br />It's not like "Athena". It's more like... that voice over guy from the movies. <br /><br />"In a world where there was nothing..." Da dah... "A man and women fight for" Da dah.<br /><br />I'm realling not sure if that's going to translate in comments. <br /><br />But I see the opening scene. I know who they are. And then I get snips like movie clips throughout the story that tells me what the concept is, the basic plot points, and how it ends.<br /><br />That said - it's not always great and most always way too simple. <br /><br />For my new WIP I changed the killer because in my "snap shot" it was just too obvious. That's a first for me. We'll see how it works out.<br /><br />But that's why I've got to work so hard to push myself. I have to rethink what I see. I have to question if it's the right direction. I have to add more to what comes. Because what comes is always the book... but it's not always a good book.<br /><br />And I blow a lot of ideas - because I won't rework. If the agent or editor says... I loved "this" but not "that" - then the whole idea goes out the window.<br /><br />I can't pull elements from different ideas. It's either there or it's not.<br /><br />So my way has got just as many limitations/drawbacks.Stephanie Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448686465587131952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-26034264096171179192009-09-22T15:29:57.371-04:002009-09-22T15:29:57.371-04:00Stephanie, if we're ever in the same room I...Stephanie, if we're ever in the same room I'm going to bitch slap you across it. Hand to God, I'm going to.<br /><br />Seriously? It just bursts out of your head like Athena full grown from Zeus? If I sat real close to you, do you think some of that would rub off?<br /><br />No wonder you got published when you were seven! You're a phenomena!Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803986849921870941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-62451556596085459222009-09-22T15:05:01.530-04:002009-09-22T15:05:01.530-04:00I don't know what the heck youralls problem is...I don't know what the heck youralls problem is? <br /><br />Characters float into your mind, along with a plot ... it all just comes into your head in a big SHABANG moment with general concepts of beginning, middle and end.<br /><br />You sit down and write that story.<br /><br />What? Am I alone in this?<br /><br />Don't be haters... :)<br /><br />Oh and I never said the story was good. I don't try to fix it, layer it, grow it. I don't take second or third or fifth options. That's that crazy craft talk that I'm always avoiding.<br /><br />I sit. I write it like I see it. And I hope to heck someone wants to buy it.Stephanie Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448686465587131952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-67140140699477717352009-09-22T12:11:50.739-04:002009-09-22T12:11:50.739-04:00Hi, my name is Eileen and I don't know what th...Hi, my name is Eileen and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. <br /><br />Oh, yeah, Shannon, I'm ready.Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803986849921870941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-43793997503440211512009-09-22T11:36:03.850-04:002009-09-22T11:36:03.850-04:00Now you see why Serena is my critique partner? I ...Now you see why Serena is my critique partner? I can question her on her grammar and passive voice and whether or not her characters sound realistic, but I need HER to fix my plot. To see the big picture, to question my character's motives, to find MY forest. <br /><br />I totally get you, my dear. You, me and Maureen should start a support group. "What the Hell am I Doing Anonymous."Shannon McKeldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01760477502997551770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-30808910175825410182009-09-22T10:39:27.309-04:002009-09-22T10:39:27.309-04:00Maybe I need to come hang out with you guys, too. ...Maybe I need to come hang out with you guys, too. It's so confusing some times! I spend all this time complicating and layering and twisting and then I can't keep track of it anymore. Outlining is hard, but I really need to do it with these suspense books.<br /><br />I'm always convinced that there's a system out there that will make these easy. Any ideas?Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803986849921870941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-10714972889370289192009-09-22T10:03:12.237-04:002009-09-22T10:03:12.237-04:00Oh, Eileen. Once again we prove to be sistahs from...Oh, Eileen. Once again we prove to be sistahs from a different muthah.<br /><br />I'm about 22K into a book and feeling that way, too. My CP's ask me questions and I have a dumb stare on my face and ramble about the plot and it's elements as if I don't have a clue, even though I really do have a lot of trees. I'm sure of it. And I'm pretty sure they'll form a forest. Some day. But how??? Not too sure right now. And both Sinead and Molly have explained my book to me on more than one occasion. That's why I let them hang out with me. ;-)Maureen McGowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00494408580378817045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29864506.post-32176568655788043852009-09-22T09:34:00.779-04:002009-09-22T09:34:00.779-04:00I think the grooming of random trees into a forest...I think the grooming of random trees into a forest is the hardest part of writing. I really do. It actually gives me a physical reaction - I'm stressed, pre-occupied, I can't sleep, I can't focus and all that manic energy doesn't help get the job done. I have that stress at the beginning of the book and then again at the last undred page sprint, when all those clever little loose ends I've created come back to strangle me. Good friends who will spend hours talking about your book are worth thier weight in gold.<br /><br />Good luck EileenMolly O'Keefehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15171236688541657736noreply@blogger.com